Are their any good MMORPGs right now? WoW and FF14 are simply not "it" (2024)

>GW2 is when I realized that MMOs are simply a waste of time. As good as an MMO is it is just one game. You could be playing multiple games in this timeframe. It's like reading the same book over and over or watching the same movie over and over. Sure if it's a good one you can do it multiple times, but at the end of the day you will want something different.
>So they are just not worth it, unless you are severely mentally ill.

Not saying you're wrong, but if you have even one good friend to mess around with in MMOs it changes things up a lot. That was supposed to be the original point after all, shared experiences, not single player addiction mechanics.

Well, you might try New World.
I found it ok, decent engine, I don't really like the class>weapon thing but some of their actiony setups were fun with a controller.
Game is pretty dead though and not a huge amount to do besides grind crafts and your house.
The theme never grabbed me either, like human only LOTR crossed with Thanksgiving, and sprinkle in a tiny amount of Lovecraft, lol.

Flail was kind of cool though smack people around and heal.
Some anemic pvp scene but it does have one.

I played NW at launch and it could have been good.
The problem was 3 things.
1. Horrible bugs in wars that literally killed it. People were just freezing the whole server.
2. The elitism in Wars, I was lucky because I played at start and nolifed it so I got into wars just because I was high-level, but as soon as everyone caught up it would quickly turn into a boys only club and you had to get into the major guilds and suck the guild-leaders wiener to play.
3. The devs didn't account for the obvious thing that happened in every server of one side with the most tryhards, absolutely dominating everything.
They literally put 0 thought into this happening and it happened everywhere.

That being said for the few times that the wars worked as they should have it was VERY fun.

>It would be a great story if it actually stayed focused
It's padding, to make the story last longer (since it's an MMO with a monthly sub).

It's fricking sh*t mate. And it's barely an MMORPG. FFXIV is just a chatroom for AGP individuals to play futa catgirl sex with each other using plugins inbetween the long patch cycles where they stand in circular/square arenas spamming the same button combinations on the same flashy looking bosses so they can get their tokens for equally flashy gear to show off in Limsa/U'ldah for 18 hours a day with the other same-faced and suspiciously all """female""" catgirls/lizards/rabbits. Dogsh*t fricking game, dogsh*t community, dogsh*t """MMO""". And the cultists will see this comment and probably spill their titty pills in rage as they rush to type a comment calling me a wowdrone as if I'd ever play that slightly less dogsh*t but still dogsh*t """MMO""".

Oh and before any of the cultists rush to defend the story, allow me to counter with
>Wuk Lamatrail

FF14 is effectively a singleplayer MMO in which you can do raids, dungeons and social sh*t (like housing) on the side.

WoW has much better "multiplayer", but horrible story, characters and insane gatekeeping grind.

A side-effect of MMO cancer. As much as Yoshi claims he respects people's time and wants people to play other games, he still fills his game with tons of filler sh*t to make the MSQ literally 10x bigger than it should be.

I've tried to find the answer too, anon, and I can't.
Ashes of Creation looks the most interesting so far, but I'm still researching it and the release date is like two weeks after the death of the sun.
I'd like to get back into one. Going back to Warmane feels like a mistake.
>captcha: DPS2

Ashes looks like sh*t and I'm not talking only visuals. I really cannot understand what anyone is hyped about.

Do you sometimes feel that if you get angry enough the football gods will come down and award you a UK slag with all her teeth still intact?

The story in SHB was in fact awesome. I basically played through it, some 'female' in Limsa hit on my Human, Male, Ninja/Dragoon/Dark Knight, and I just logged out, having played out all the fun I felt, rather than feeling sexually threatened enough to come type rants about it. I had some good times doing tower roguelikes with randos too.

Why are you getting worked up over degenerate hom*osexuals; you type like you been personally attacked. I'm assuming you think they are the cause of some sort of MMO decline, but as others stated like

MMOs died to gacha.
No one will make a new MMO when you can make a gacha that takes much less effort.

and

MMOs (bugman genre btw) are all spiritual precursors to gachas.

this genre's death is inevitable. On topic, I been having an MMO itch for a long time, but I have yet to find that niche community I can loosen up towards.

Maybe I'll try XIV again after I graduate, two more semesters to go.

>Combat, classes, balance, lore, story, design all A+. They fell into the 'wow killer' trap that so many games around 2010, between rushed release (no raids, no end game) and extreme over estimations (like 100? servers) populations were stretched way too thin. Then of course the doomed f2p / p2w that pretty much every game in the last 10 years has done.

I agree that SWTOR had something special at first, but the guys that would have been a bulwark against all those sh*tty MMO decisions were purged in the great DEI/ESG anti-white racism pushes that corps did too. I am going to be here to remind leftists of this until the sun goes out.

>They left to make craft beer
You don't leave your passion and profitable position unless you see the handwriting on the wall. I have seen it before from inside adjacent industry.

Nope you're right.
We should have arpg like Mon Hun but that is actually a full RPG with something to do between bosses that isn't waiting rooms.
Diablo 4 actually might do it better with raid mechanics in the expansion. There the problem is it's a solo game at core however.
WoW tab target, huge barrier to entry at any decent play level for new casuals, and dead content and ability bloat. I'm running a new alt up now just to see what it's like these days and it's pretty dead feeling even on high pop server. I will say they added a ton of QoL over the years, like multi spec will auto switch you in the dungeon, and much better targeting systems can be used by default with a lot less addons.

What's needed to rejuvenate MMO is this:
>ARPG with physics, verticality, similar to BG3 (frankly it could be a turn based MMO like this), Valheim etc.
>Procedural changeups even in known content
>Classes that are absolutely needed to be brought, you can call it trinity or go back to EQ style with enchanter, travel spells, or be actually creative.
>Social and matching features that are designed to be absolutely convenient to discourage people from going back to discord
>In game voice that works, and content that is designed from the ground up to funnel people into hard chokepoints that they need help to get through.

The physics takes care of everyone turning it into a parse race and checking out of being engaged, there will be situational areas where someone's build will do better even 'unoptimized'.
The procedural changeups also do this.
The reliance on class features brings back the social reliance of older titles like EQ, DAOC, Classic WoW
The social and matching features would be conducive to that.

It used to be you could barely move to the next town in EQ without help, and ideally the open world would instead of being a slideshow be massively dangerous, with enemy AI making creative new procedural structures where you might have had a milk run last week.